2x777 to BKK after 4/1/06?
January 7th, 2009 Filed Under naaktbelgisch.com edit
This is about aircraft configurations: According to flyaow.net, until April 1st, NH seem to be using one 767 and one 777 on NRT-BKK-NRT. On my reservation, the seating in J is 2-2-2, because according to the current printed NH timetable, all 777s have the old J class seats. The changes to 2x777 seems to still be true in June as well, when I'm planning on returning. So, I'm confused as to why my NRT-BKK flight is offering 2-1-2 seating in J class in June--does that mean that NH is converting the 777-200s into Club ANA Asia in J, as they are taken off NRT-USA routes?
Or is it just some incorrect information in the NH/flyaow systems?
Thanks!
Are they reserved for NH Diamond, etc? I have a paid F ticket but C class on BKK-NRT. Wish me luck!
If it is a 2 class route with a 3 class aircraft, you need to have a booking code C to be allocated the F seats. Diamonds have priority to those seats IF any are left at check-in......
I just looked at check-in for the BKK-NRT flight this Saturday night at 22:40, and it shows Rows 1-2 blocked... and since it's showing 2-2-2, they are the Old Style F seats.... too bad they're all blocked out! I will try to score one tomorrow or Saturday.
Are they reserved for NH Diamond, etc? I have a paid F ticket but C class on BKK-NRT. Wish me luck!
This is about aircraft configurations: According to flyaow.net, until April 1st, NH seem to be using one 767 and one 777 on NRT-BKK-NRT. On my reservation, the seating in J is 2-2-2, because according to the current printed NH timetable, all 777s have the old J class seats. The changes to 2x777 seems to still be true in June as well, when I'm planning on returning. So, I'm confused as to why my NRT-BKK flight is offering 2-1-2 seating in J class in June--does that mean that NH is converting the 777-200s into Club ANA Asia in J, as they are taken off NRT-USA routes?
Or is it just some incorrect information in the NH/flyaow systems?
Thanks!
2-1-2 is Club ANA Asia on the 767.
2-3-2 is 777 Superstyle
Currently 915 and 916 are the 767 Club ANA Asia, but if the info on the web is correct, 777 will be mixing in here.
Currently 953 and 954 is serviced by a 2 class 777 Superstyle.
Now looking at the end of June, what I see happening via dummy bookings on ana.co.jp is that a 777-200ER 3 class seatmap is moving into the rotation but it looks like it is being sold as a 2-class. The 12 seats in row 1 and 2 is the give away.
However, what makes zero sense is showing the 2-1-2, 763 seatmap but indicating that the aircraft is a 777. The updated seatmap my not have been loaded yet or it maybe incorrect. The 777 would accomodate more than 5 across if it were converted.
I just check my butt right into business class and only after I boarded did I remember what I had failed to do. By that time the F cabin was full.
I still slept all the way to Tokyo though.
Cheers,
And remeber, don't do dumb things.
Club ANA: 70 seats 2-3-2
Premium Economy: 36 seats 2-4-2
Economy: 117 seats 3-3-3
Interesting! Is this set to begin in April?
So will both of the BKK flights be those planes? Or just one of them? I think it's just 1/2 daily flights with the new plane?
I am booked on NH916/6 BKK-NRT-LAX 6/10.
Both KVS and EF are showing both segments as 777.
But when you look at the seat maps on EF, BKK-NRT shows as 767 and NRT-LAX shows as 747. I am trying to make seat allocations and not quite sure which is correct?
So if the NRT-LAX is going to be 777 and not 747 will it still be New Clun ANA?
Usually 7 across on a regional basis......did anyone ever think that they might be upgrading the original 772/773(non ER) for regional work?
Upon check-in at BKK, I asked nicely about it. The Check-in agent asked the ANA representative who was behind the counter about it, and he said "Sorry, full fare only." I tried to explain that I was F on the next flight, but he was already walking away.
When the agent realized I was in F, she called him back, speaking in Thai, and he got a smile on his face, and asked if I'd like to be window or aisle in row 1-2! He then got on the phone and called someone.... apparently, this guy is like a junior station manager--because whoever he called said No! He started apologizing a lot, saying he didn't understand it at all, but his superior said no discount fares in rows 1-2, even with F tickets.
After take-off, I noticed that only 8/12 F seats were occupied. So, even with space in those seats, you will not be sitting there. I didn't argue, and was very polite. It's not such a big deal, but it's kinda surprising.
At check-in at NRT, the concierge asked how my flight was from BKK that morning, and I briefly explained to her what happened, asking if that is the NH policy. I realize the need to have a rule about this, since there are often 50-70 biz seats and only 8-12 F seats. The hard part is this: It's an F ticket, but since F is not sold on this flight, you are the same as a discount D fare. But in fact, anyone who is NH Diamond on a discount D fare can sit there, while a A ticket for thousands more dollars doesn't allow it, even after Diamonds have been taken care of. Now, if I'm Diamond, I'd prefer to be upgraded and have nobody sitting next to me, so I do think it's a tough one.
The concierge and a colleague looked into it, and spoke to each other in Japanese (which I understood), saying they couldn't believe that, with the 4 unoccupied seats in F, that they wouldn't put a paid F customer there. She said that she would send a message to headquarters about this topic.
The only bonus for me?? There was a screaming baby in seat 1J! :)
What does ANA normally do in an EQV situation? Do you think since it's EQV (Equipment Varies) it will be switched at the last minute, but until then it will show as a 777 online for booking, but a 767 for the seat map? That covers everything except 744. :)
Can anyone find any examples of a 744 coming up, or is that just the standard EQV line: "777, 767, 744 may be substituted on this route," even if it's really just the chance of 777 and 767?
Thanks for the news--so I won't bother getting there early to try to grab one! Oh well......
I guess the only good thing is that 11K on this plane is an exit row window, so it won't be that bad, right? :)
The seatmap hasn't been updated yet.
Although the seat maps are not up to date yet you can get the 777 type of aircraft from NH reservation and deduct yourself the seat plan (2 or 3 class aircraft)
I have a reservation in May to and from BKK from NRT and both flights show a 767 seat map but show a 777 aircraft type. NH reservation told me they both will be 3 class ER with the 2 F rows blocked for C class normal fares (not available to biziwari fares) or to diamonds at check-in
I'm flying BKK-NRT in D class and NRT-SFO in A (First, discounted). I guess I could check in early, and ask nicely that since I'm flying in paid F (fare basis "FRT"), could they please make an exception. The worst thing they can do is say no, which is what I expect. :)
Thanks for the help!
Just picked up their new timetable at the BKK CTO, and see that the 953/954 is listed as "772", but with an *: "Airline may substitute 744, 773, or 763 as needed". Is there any chance they'll have the 744 on this route?? That would be nice to see again!
Also interesting--the timetable doesn't show a seatmap at all for the 772 (old style, 2-class). Are they getting rid of all them or refurbishing them so quickly?
So will both of the BKK flights be those planes? Or just one of them? I think it's just 1/2 daily flights with the new plane?
I saw the re-configuration of 772ER discussion on Japanese message board.
Did a quick search on ANA's website and it seems like 1 of 2 daily BKK flight starting July/August (NH953/954 probably) is getting the brand new 772ER to be delivered this year.
The new 772ER will have C70W36Y117. The same one goes to SFO on selected days.
Which is strange since ANA is focusing on high-yield premium-fare paying pax but JAL thinks BKK is a low-yield route.
I just check my butt right into business class and only after I boarded did I remember what I had failed to do. By that time the F cabin was full.
I still slept all the way to Tokyo though.
Cheers,
And remeber, don't do dumb things.
I didn't see this post... you are the "guru" on these flights, so I'm sorry you missed out!
Last night I finished my F ticket to the US and back. Am now in BKK for a day before doing some intra-Asia travel. About a week ago, NH switched my flight from 767 to 777--and in fact, the July/August NH Timetable now lists BKK flights as 2x777, with 744 as a possible EQV (no 767 listed at all). Actually, the 767 Club Ana Asia seats look better than the 777 Old C seats, so maybe the 777 is not such a good thing if you are flying discounted Biz and have no NH status?
Anyhow, before leaving from the USA, I emailed a NRT F concierge about the possibility of sitting in Rows 1-2, explaining that I know the rules, and requested to sit there only after Full C pax and NH Diamond Pax had been accommodated.
Didn't hear back, but upon arrival at the NH Lounge at NRT, was delighted to be handed a Boarding Pass for 1A and directed into the F section of the lounge!
I'm guessing this was an easy decision for her, since there were only 3/12 seats occupied in Rows 1-2, while J class in all had only 14 pax, including a few Op-Ups from Y (I saw them getting their upgrades at the gate!).
Really bad load--I hope just because it's a Wednesday night flight?
Service, while always excellent, was ridiculously good with just the 3 of us up front. They even set up a small snack and amenity display for us on one of the empty Row 2 seats. I slept like a baby all the way to BKK!
I am booked on NH916/6 BKK-NRT-LAX 6/10.
Both KVS and EF are showing both segments as 777.
But when you look at the seat maps on EF, BKK-NRT shows as 767 and NRT-LAX shows as 747. I am trying to make seat allocations and not quite sure which is correct?
You can make dummy bookings to find out on www.ana.co.jp :D
Sorry, I made a typo in my OP. I meant the flights in April are showing 2-3-2, and the June one is 2-1-2. So I guess flyaow might be wrong--but the 23:55 departure on April 8th is a 777 (even ANA web site, when picking my seats, offers 2-3-2, so it definitely is a 777. But that flight has been a 767 for a long time--at least since October '05. Maybe they're switching in the 777 for a while in April-June?
Club ANA: 70 seats 2-3-2
Premium Economy: 36 seats 2-4-2
Economy: 117 seats 3-3-3
Only when you go to select seats, you find that it's 2-1-2, so it's a 767 with Club ANA Asia, right?
The morning flight on 6/28 is a 772ER seat map, with Rows 1-2 blocked out. For the rest of the week, 6/29-30, both flights are 2-1-2, so probably 767--even if it's listed as "777" everywhere for all NRT-BKK flights.
Does anyone have experience with ANA changing the seat map to a different aircraft at the last minute? Is it rare, or commonplace?
Since there is one flight with the 772ER seat map, I'm thinking they do know, generally, ahead of time what aircraft they're using.
Thanks!
I guess the only good thing is that 11K on this plane is an exit row window, so it won't be that bad, right? :)
If you have a C class booking you should be able to have NH reservations assign an F seat.
Although the seat maps are not up to date yet you can get the 777 type of aircraft from NH reservation and deduct yourself the seat plan (2 or 3 class aircraft)
I have a reservation in May to and from BKK from NRT and both flights show a 767 seat map but show a 777 aircraft type. NH reservation told me they both will be 3 class ER with the 2 F rows blocked for C class normal fares (not available to biziwari fares) or to diamonds at check-in
Seatmaps aren't always updated.
My june flight is 777 with 2-1-2 (767) configuration in the seatmap.
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